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important, but these are troops that should be paid for by alumni or universities. jon: thank you, and thank you for joining us today. that is going to do it for us. [captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- martha: let's kick off "the live desk." trace: that is tim and his team, covering america on the national desk. the foreign desk, over here, covers the globe, and the media desk is where brand new pictures, and to fox news channel. you will see those pictures in the boxes on the right-hand side of the screen. in the top box, the black box will soon tell the tale. ntsb investigators are investigating the cockpit voice recorder from a passenger jet carrying 144 people that
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overshot the airport by 140 miles. and how come fighter jets were not trailing an airliner out of contact for more than an hour? in the middle, remember the stimulus money that was supposed to keep unemployment below 8%? now it is nearing 10%, and the labor department says 10% could be the new normal. in the bottom, our national security team is working on breaking news concerning iran. it seems like once again they are blowing off the united nations and united states by refusing to cut the nuclear stockpile, and apparently stalling for, yes, more time. martha: first, the battle over health care. new reports coming out of capitol hill say that nancy pelosi does not have the votes to pass a bill that she has favored with the so-called robust government-run insurance option. speaker policy has always maintained that she would have
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some kind of public option in the house bill. she insisted the same moment ago. listen to this. >> the public option is the preferred way to go in my view because it sends the most savings, $110 billion. it is not the only way to go, and at the end of the day, we will have a public option in the legislation. martha: so three different versions are being dealt with in the house right now. the first was the robust version of the government option or the public option plan, and in that, provider's paid medicare rates plus 5%. in the government option, it makes the government negotiate payment rates, making it a little more competitive with private companies. then there is the so-called trigger option, saying that if the premiums do not drop, the medicare plus five payments kick in.
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it is confusing, and we are going to break it down. but there is basically a graduate of level of different plants -- and graduated level of different plans and how they would kick in. the senate on the other side is considering a different government option, and this one is called an opt out plan. remember, olympia snowe was the only republican to sign on to the senate plan. she likes this plan, which allows states to decide for themselves whether they want to take part in the government option or opt out. that would leave to the state the potential to decide that for themselves. caroline is tracking all of this. good luck. these are very -- the differences between these are our kaine at this point. but she is live at the white house. what did pelosi say about the fact that she does not have the
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votes to get through the robust option she has always been in favor of? >> she says any votes they have taken up to now are preliminary. however, she did say any public option is a good option. >> we're having that debate, and members have to reflect and represent their districts. but by no means has this been complete or any decision been made. >> they do appear to be getting closer to a decision. democratic leaders say to expect a vote right before veterans day, just a matter of a couple of weeks from now. pelosi says that we are on the 5 yard line, the goal is not to fumble. talking behind closed doors, they voted on four versions. not everyone took a vote. but the issue is that republicans do not like any of these public option.
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she still has to get this passed, and the blue dog democrats can knock it passed without them. martha: thank you very much. we are going to continue to break down these plants. stay with us, and we will explain when we get back. trace: if you are looking for a new job, this is not good news. the people filing for unemployment the first time has jumped, and the unemployment rate has jumped to almost 10%, almost a 5% increase since december of 2007. and some economists say that 10% unemployment could be the new normal, residing -- resulting in higher jobless rates and lower standard of living is. is 10% the new normal?
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>> in a world where 50 is the new 30, we should get accustomed to the sort of thing. kansas city forecasted 10% for 2011, down to only 8% by 2014 and still floating above 6% a full decade from now. the obama administration does not endorse those numbers but they appear to be laying the groundwork for americans to come to terms with the fact of a jobless recovery. as she put it, labor market conditions will remain painfully weak through 2010, not numbers that the economist at the kansas city reserve bank were tossing around, but painfully weakened by the same kind of description. trace: what are the political stars doing to breathe life into the economy, james?
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>> the obama's demonstration is the first to contend with 10% unemployment since reagan, and policymakers have to on one hand expressed optimism about economic prospects, because every country needs its leaders to do that for prosperity to return, but by the same token, they do not want to be held accountable if that prosperity is slow to return, and especially if it will take the form of a jobless recovery. tonight we will hear from one of the past masters at the art of raising and lowering expectations on the part of the white house. trace: james, thank you. martha: irani is saying that they will respond to eight united nations nuclear deal by the end of next week. -- iran is saying that they will respond to a united nations nuclear deal by the end of next week. they were requesting the purchase of more nuclear fuel to
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bring home from abroad. some people say that this is a strategy to buy time against new sanctions, but the white house says they have not heard from the iaea on iran's response. coming up, we will talk to john bolton about the deal drafted by the united nations and what it really means. what is iran offering, what are they stalling for, and what is our response? trace: nato allies are voicing support for a broader strategy against the taliban in afghanistan, but stopping short of asking for new troops. robert gates has been meeting overseas to rally support for afghanistan. while nato ministers support the plan for training and aid for civilians and troops, they did not say whether they would send more troops. they are likely waiting for obama to make a decision on sending more united states
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forces before they make their decision. martha: the black boxes from a northwest airlines flight are in washington today after the jet overshot its goal by 150 miles. authorities are trying to determine whether black box data is consistent with pilots' accounts. the pilots say that they were distracted by a discussion there were having about airline policy. meanwhile, the military was prepping f-16 fighter jets, concerned that this was a situation involving hijacking. more on that. trace: a plane overshoots and airport by more than 100 miles, as martha was saying. the radio was silent for an hour, with fighter jets waiting to scramble on the runways. what was happening inside the cockpit? some say that they might have
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martha: check out the top box right now. ruling of local sex offenders in the hunt for somer thompson's killer. she was found in a landfill after vanishing from the walk
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home from school. authorities have finished talking to 160 registered sex offenders who live within a distance of the girls home. none are considered suspects. and home retail is up more than expected. that is good news, rising 9.4% last month to the highest level in more than two years. buyers are scrambling to complete purchases before the first-time home buyer tax credit expires. gas prices are on the rise again, with national averages putting get at $2.63 a gallon for regular. that is up 2 cents from yesterday and more than 13 from this time last week. trace: a northwest jet overshot the airport by 150 miles. pilots were out of contact with air traffic controllers for one hour and 18 minutes. right before landing, the captain finally checked in with passengers. listen.
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>> the captain had come on and they set -- said we should be landing in 15 minutes to 20 minutes. trace: the pilots say that they were arguing, but they may have been sleeping. fortunately, this is easy to solve. there are microphones in the cockpit, and everything is recorded. if there is a third crew member, there is one in that headset. one is right in the center of the cockpit. we have a and aviation -- an aviation reporter from "usa today." they ought to know that they are going to bring these blackrock recorders -- black box recorders in and listen to them. >> that is true. the question is how long it was recorded in the cockpit. federal law only requires a 30
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minute recording, and if that is the case, it would not have captured anything during the time when they were not -- trace: what about these two-hour tapes? >> that is correct. more and more have to -- our recordings, -- two-hour recordings, so investigators will be able to listen. trace: 150 miles before landing, they start getting radio contact. we talked about a gap of 250 miles where they were out of the loop. that is a massive distance. >> we calculated last night that it was 600 miles when they had no contact. that is a long way, and most of the pilots i have spoken to are completely baffled by how they could go that long. trace: what if this was flowing
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into -- flying into philadelphia and flew into new york airspace? we're lucky that it flew into quiet air space over wisconsin. but if this goes into new york, you are looking at tragedy in the making. >> the good thing is, unlike 9/11 when the plane transponders for off and they could not be seen by radar, this plane's transponder was on, so it could be followed and other traffic could be kept away. modern jets have anti-collision devices, as well. i do not think there would have been a mid air, but fighter jets would have been scrambled. trace: are you surprised that the debts were not scrambled? -- that the jets were not scrambled earlier? >> it is an interesting question
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to find out the timeline of when they were called and why they were not scrambled. trace: thank you. martha: interesting developments of capitol hill on health care debate. there are brand new reports getting out that say that the speaker of the house is now realizing that the dream of a public option may not come true. karl rove joins us to. all of this down. we will be right back in three minutes.
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martha: new developments at the white house today. major garrett has details. what is going on?
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>> i want to preface by saying nothing is official and until something officials announced it is all speculative. but we have learned some things. the current white house counsel is likely to leave his position by the end of the year or sooner. fox news has learned that the leading candidate to replace him is robert bauer, current chief counsel to the dnc and former counsel to candidates obama's run for the presidency. he is a close player within the obama campaign circle and the larger white house circle and democrats -- democratic national committee. nothing is official, but those close to the situation say that he is being eyed seriously. no decisions have been made about his future at the white house.
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martha: and there is a family connection between him and someone at the white house? indeed. bob bauer is the husband of anita dunn. she has been a spokesperson. she arrived here in the white house in april, long scheduled on an interim basis. bob hour, if he comes in at the end of the year, may be passing anita dunn in the white house. martha: there was a dispute yesterday over an interview. >> i will try to put the sequence together as clearly as
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possible. i had an interview with ken feinberg on the fox business network. that is the most salient fact, that we got an interview. but the original bid was that fox news would not be included in an interview. when five networks were add to provide cameras for the interviews, the treasury called over to the white house asking for permission. anita dunn said that fox could have the interview. in that way, she played a role of facilitating the fox's interview with ken feinberg. after the treasury first attempted to exclude fox, we were put in the mix, got an interview, and the rest is a small part of this ongoing saga.
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martha: let's bring in karl rove, former senior adviser to president george bush and a fox news contributor. just to backpedal for a minute, the treasury department yesterday at some point put ken feinberg out there for interviews, and those at home have to understand that the pool system is that the networks take turns controlling the pool system, the camera system, so that all of the different networks can get their hands on the interviews. the treasury department said, "can we exclude fox from the pool," which is unprecedented. >> they did not ask. they said they were going to exclude fox. at that point to other networks rose up and said they were not going to. if the white house can say they
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get to decide who is a news organization today or tomorrow, tomorrow it could be somebody else other than fox. martha: what is your response, having dealt with news organizations from the bush white house -- is there ever an instance of someone saying we do not like what someone is saying so let's exclude them from the pool? explain how that works. >> every white house, there are people who get hot about coverage by some organization. what happened now is they were going to brand fox news as not a news organizations, and we got a greater insight into their thinking by the "new york times" today. they said that we had good news
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leads on them and they should have been paying attention, and they wanted to discourage other organizations for a -- from falling stores like van -- following stories like a van at jones and acorn that we pioneered. that is all-out warfare on one organization in an attempt to intimidate everybody else. martha: it appears that that is a significant turning point you are pointing to in the developments, and no doubt you will hear more about this tonight in our programming when we dig into a deeper. for the time being, i also want to ask you about health care developments on capitol hill today, very significant use -- news. there is an indication that nancy pelosi will knock at the vote -- not get the vote.
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there is not support for a robust public option. how do you see this working out? what watered down government option will we get? >> olympia snowe and the senator from nebraska were leading a group to keep the public option out. they got at least three more bites at the apple. they can try and get this bill in the conference committee, they can get what is called a soft public option, something not as robust that nonetheless agree to government health care program, where they can have a trigger -- or they can have a trigger where if certain standards are not met and there are not enough competitors or plants in any part of the country, a government-run
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program kicks in. but they have all kinds of options yet to go. we are at the beginning, but it is a major development of speaker pelosi has found she does not have a 218-boat -- 218- vote count. martha: is it your best guess that there will be a public option? this goes back to covering people who are not insured and forcing them to get a health plan. if they cannot get that health plan, the government will provide money for a public option. >> i find it hard to see that they can get it through the senate, not unless they have people like blanche lincoln of arkansas and ben nelson of nebraska and conrad of north dakota who today say they are against a public option.
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unless they get them to flip, i do not see them getting it. a government-run insurance plan will basically crater the private insurance market, and if we go down that path, that is what would happen. so let's not do it. but they have got a lot of options, a lot left to play on this particular one. martha: always good to see you. thank you very much for coming by. trace: steve in our chicago newsroom put this into the urgent queue. concerning the black box recorder on the jet that overshot the airport by 150 miles, we are now learning that the taped inside the recorder was a magnetic tape, not digital, meaning that it was only 30 minutes long, not the two hours used nowadays.
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that is a major development in this case. we have a live report coming up from steve, because it could indicate that there was nothing on the voice recorder. three minutes.
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trace: we have breaking news concerning the voice recorder on the northwest jet that overshot the airport. black box that is so critical.
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this is from a spokesman, who says that the 30-minute solid state boys recorder captured a portion of the flight that is being analyzed. no further information is expected today. the pilots said they were arguing, and it is easily verified by the voice recorder. we only have 30 minutes now, not two hours. how big is this? >> if it was a more modern recorder, the cockpit is wired for sound. it records everything going into either had site, a back up at site -- had set -- headset as
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well as backup headsets. it picks up all sorts of sounds. even if they are a distance away from the cockpit. it was roughly a quarter of a o'clock on wednesday night. the faa says that the plane landed at roughly 9:00. do the math. that is 49 minutes. tactically, a portion of this fight has been recorded. is it the last 30 minutes? it seems to me if it was operating on a 30-minute loop, they got a portion in which the pilots got that act together and started getting this plane back towards minneapolis.
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perhaps the pilots had a breast tissue and fell asleep. -- had a rest issue and fell asleep. that is the report want to look at, but i do not know if they have it. trace: and be in sound is critical, because i think the pilots said that they are way late. update as we get them from chicago. thank you. martha: iran is reviewing united nations proposal to send its material over for enrichment to russia as part of a deal. there's a counteroffer to the draft, written by the iaea, approved by the u.s. and other countries, saying that what they really want is more nuclear
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fuel. president obama has not heard of any formal response about iran's reaction to the deal, so let's bring in john bolton. good to have you here. welcome. iran was presented with a deal with it would send enriched uranium to be processed for medical purposes as a way to keep more oversight on the material the have already. and what they're saying is, really what we need is to send you more nuclear fuel. >> i would not be surprised if they accepted the deal, because it in britches' their uranium to a higher level than they have achieved. but this is a distraction from the main problem, their overall and richmond activity continuing. what iran has done today is a classic iranian behavior.
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they did not say yes, they did not say no. they say, let's negotiate further, which you can bet the obama administration will do. time is on their side. the more time they have, the closer they get to nuclear weapons. martha: is anybody saying, no, you cannot take any more time? >> not so far. one thing driving this is the director general of the iaea. he retires after 15 years at the end of next month, and that will not accommodate too soon -- that will not come a day too soon. until then, i think the iranians will just staring us along -- string us a long period martha: because possibly be used for warhead purposes, right?
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>> there is that, and there is the potential for delivery of sophisticated air defense systems that will protect against an israeli or american strike. any day that goes on is a win for them. they said they would respond by the middle of next week to this offer, but that could mean the week after. we are in the middle of the diplomatic row the dope. it is a distraction from the real issue. martha: all right. always good to have you. thank you very much. trace: a masked robber carrying a butcher knife demanded the comics at a pharmacy. you cannot leave but the pharmacist did in response. plus, all aboard. packing heat. carrying your gun -- should congress forced amtrak to allow train passengers to stoke up loaded firearms -- a fair and
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trace: a measure would allow passengers to bring declared guns as checked baggage aboard trains. airlines allow it, but the railroad commission says they cannot comply. brian wilson is live in washington. what the people against the idea have to say? >> this may have been allowed before 9/11 on trains, but this is a different time on a different place, and there are house members who say this is not a good idea in a matter what the senate may say, and they are not set up for it. here is vinny thompson of
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mississippi. take a listen. >> again, we do not have the money to invest in protocol necessary to guarantee that these weapons will not be used against the traveling public. >> a fair number of people in the house are against this. trace: what do supporters of the second amendment think? >> 68 members have decided it is ok. they did this before 9/11. it is about second amendment rights, the right to carry a gun. you will ideally have this check in a bag and baggage car. listen to what the senator from mississippi says. >> someone wishing to do bill could bring a firearm on a train
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right now. in many jurisdictions, that to be breaking along. if someone is up to no good, to walk onto a firearm on a trained rather than putting it in checked baggage. >> they have to work it out, trace. trace: what is amtrak's take on this thing? >> they do not want guns on trains on any level, checked baggage or otherwise. but the thing that is not being talked about is that there is not much screaming going on before hand. there is not much to stop somebody from putting a loaded weapon in their briefcase and rolling it on the train. the larger question is, why is amtrak drawing line here when they do not screen passengers
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all that closely anyway? martha: a thug with a butcher knife was no match for a crime- fighting pharmacist. check out this video from outside minneapolis. perhaps -- he is behind the counter, trying to clean up the pharmacy of prescription drugs. the pharmacist jumps in and tries to stop him. this guy messed with the wrong medicine man. he picks up his medical school -- his metal stool. with a bad night. that is not a tiny knife. >> i was hesitant a little bit. i opened the cabinet and he said, stand back where i will stab you, i will kill you. i picked up my stool. if he had a gun, it would have
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been different. but it was just a butcher knife. martha: thank goodness he is ok. he definitely saved the day here, and the thief took off. police are looking for that man. good work, mr. pharmacist. trace: the centers for disease control are just wrapping up a briefing on h1n1. we have breaking information on what they said about vaccine production. next. have discovered how easy it is to use legalzoom for important legal documents. so start your business,
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martha: the center for disease
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control is just wrapping up a press conference on h1n1 flu. the director acknowledges of frustration with the program. do we have a sound bite? >> what we have learned more in the last couple weeks is not only is the virus unpredictable, but vaccine production is much less predictable than we would wish. we are nowhere near where we thought we would be by no, no where near where the vaccine manufacturers predicted. we share the frustration of people who waited on line or call the number or check it website and have not been able to find a way to get vaccinated. martha: we knew this was coming. it was here in the spring and will probably redouble in the fall. why can we get our hands on the vaccine?
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>> i don't want to let the cdc off the hook, because they said we would have 40 million doses, and they cannot blame it all on the manufacturers. but we are using a process from the 1950's where we used and eggs and inject them from the virus and they grow. it takes six months to nine months to make a vaccine batch for millions of people. using more up-to-date technology, which we have, we could do it a lot faster. i would like the cbc to be more on top of this. trace: people have already got the flu. they are getting all across the country. this is closing the barn door when the horse is gone. what if everybody already has the flu? >> that is a good question. the pandemic is coming.
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it is in waves. we are in the middle of the second wave. we do not know what will happen in a month or two, whether it will continue this way. my prediction is that there are people out there who need to get vaccinated. we are still going to benefit a lot of people by giving millions and millions of vaccines over the next couple of months. a very safe vaccine. martha: the doctor's office is full of long lines of kids. >> that is another thing we have to talk about. fear has been the main issue. this is a mild virus. the reason it affects children and adults is because older people have immunities. that is good news. we only have about 1000 deaths, 20,000 hospitalizations. terrible if you are one of those people, but overall a mild flu. let's not panic, but let's be more resourceful to get vaccine.
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we need a lot more vexing than we have. martha: so much new information is coming out every day on the h1n1 virus and vaccine. log on to foxnews.com and type h1n1 in the search box. that will have all of the information that you need for you and your family. trace: at a time when most are spending less, people seem happy to show up for halloween, and that means jobs. a retail chain is schering up more than a thousand part-time jobs and opening up more than 30 new locations. jill is live at ricky's supply store. are people in the hallway and -- halloween industry expecting a big year?
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>> it really gets packed around here. not just decorations and can be, but also tickets to wanted houses. the international association of haunted attractions say that all types of people reaching into their wallets this time of year. here is what they told us. >> whether you are between the ages of 8 and 12, experiencing your first haunted house, or you are a teenager on a date or a group of workers getting together, grant parents with their grandchildren, people like to experience the rush. trace: jill, thank you.
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[captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- trace: the black boxes are back in washington, but they may not
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tell the whole tale of what happened on a dangerous northwest airlines flight. martha: feds want to know why the pilots of flight 118 flew 150 miles past their destination and they were out of contact with ground controllers for more than one hour. that is highly unusual, and raises the question, where they sleeping in the cockpit at that time? the flight had 144 passengers and ended safely on wednesday night. you can see where they overshot their mark by 150 miles. pilots are claiming that they are distracted from the middle of a heated discussion about airline policy and lost track of their location, but not before they created a big scare. biker jets are ready to scramble -- fighter jets were ready to scramble because of a
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possible hijacking. the recorder may not have been recording during this crucial time that could let us know whether they were arguing were sleeping, right? >> ntsb have captured a portion of the investigation, but the way that we understand how this works is that we have a 30- minute loop recording the last 30 minutes of flight. so the last 30 minutes, the plane had been back in contact, the pilots had been back in contact with air traffic control, and they were on their way back to minneapolis street paul about 15 minutes after resuming communication. so what happened to the previous hour and 15 minutes before the pilots got back in touch? what was going on in the cockpit? a two-our modern solid state which quarter recorded not only the chapter coming in and out of the headsets but also there
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is a microphone, or lack of a better term, mounted in the dashboard that picks up natural noises going on. something going on with the aircraft. that would have been picked up as well. none of that will be there now, because they only got 30 minutes going forward. unless this piece of equipment operates in a different way, there could be a malfunction that allowed it to record more than 13 minutes. -- 30 minutes. they will get the 30 minutes, but well after losing communication and regaining communication, and well after it was on its way back to msp.
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martha: what sent them out? how did they get back on track? >> one of the flight attendants was kon? and that was when communication was reconnect with the pilots and folks running air-traffic control and they started making a u-turn. this is an older model airbus aircraft. it is the most popular aircraft they make, basically equivalent to 737 from boeing. so we're talking about pilots that may have had some idea that it may only be 30 minutes.
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it is difficult to suppose what is going on, but by law they only need 30 minutes. there are two-our units, but this plane did not have one. martha: we are way of course, folks, so let's get back on it. trace: there is word that nato must be -- may be up in support of the afghanistan war. robert gates said at a meeting that nato is considering beefing up forces to take on the taliban and al qaeda, but a lot of it hinges on whether obama decides to send more troops to afghanistan. afghanistan. >> there was broad support
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expressed for the current strategy in afghanistan. president obama is deliberating as to whether to keep that strategy or switched it to something like a counter- terrorism strategy. holbrooke and feels that the president is not constrained in any way by the nato defense minister's opinion in slovakia. he also talked about the afghan situation in terms of the runoff election scheduled for the seventh. here's what he had to say to that. >> it is reasonable to hope that there will be less irregularities for several reasons. one, only two candidates. two, the experience factor. 3, the international community, including forces under
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general mcchrystal's command will go all out to make this a success. >> he says that they are hopeful, and one other bit of news out of the state department is we have a north korean envoy at of los angeles, and the spokesperson said there is a likelihood that he will meet with a diplomat during that trip. trace: we have breaking news coming out of california, 20 miles north of downtown los angeles. apparently a bank robber with a handgun is now on the road. what do we know? >> within the last hour or so, there was a wells fargo's bank walked into with a handgun, he told everyone to get on the floor and he did drop his hood before leaving. now we have police going door- to-door. we have been watching for about
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10 minutes. they are really relying on checking the vacant properties in the area. right now we do not have a description or know if the suspect got away with anything. stay tuned. trace: we are also making phone calls. harris faulkner is making phone calls in studio n. have you learned anything about this bank robbery? >> you heard him say that he dropped his hood as he walked out the door. there are cameras all over the place, so they are hoping to see a shot of his face. they hope to get some video. when i've been watching on screen here is that there is a pack of police officers now going in. several offices here.
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i know that we will stay on it as news breaks. trace: we have the shot right there. martha: a private bailout called tarp. tomb geithner may be looking for a limitless amount of money in the future to save firms. one lawmaker calls it tarp on steroids. he will tell you what it means in three minutes. plus, a massive inferno at a major fuel facility. firefighters are struggling to contain the blaze.
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martha: in the top boss, president obama is pushing the climate change bill at eight speech at mit, saying that the bill was a case to future success. it would put the first-ever caps on greenhouse gas additions. soupy sales has passed away at 83 years old. and this is a live look at los
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feliz, calif., where they are searching for a bank robber. police dogs are searching the area. trace: a massive fire is raging at an oil and gas facility in puerto rico, rocking in neighborhood right and outside of san juan. look at that. the fire is producing an enormous black cloud. there are 11 fuel tanks burning, but they are trying out to stop 29 of their fuel tanks from exploding. martha: remember tarp, the program that gave $700 billion to companies deemed too big to fail for the economy? now there is a new plant in the works by timothy geithner, and
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brad sherman believes that this plan contains limits on executive compensation and an array of special oversight authority. congressman brad sherman joins us now from the house financial services committee. what can we do to prevent a future crisis from happening with some financial firms in car companies and the like? you say that tim geithner wants there to be no limit on how much
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money must be spent. >> he has put forth part on steroids. tarp is a temporary program that they want to be permanent. the secretary refused to one trillion dollars limit on this new authority he would like the executive branch to have. martha: you asked him to sign off on a one trillion dollars limit on how much the government can spend, and you say? >> i am not saying there will be a future crisis, but you can bring congress together and decide to the bailout began or do something else. martha: well we are trying to figure out how to save this, should we be focus on putting in
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measures to focus on making sure that this does not happen again, instead of figuring out a new band date to slap on that? >> you need to do everything. you cannot build a safety net, but you do not want to do dangerous things on the trapeze. we passed earlier this week a bill to strictly regulate derivatives. i would like the bill to be even stronger, but it was a step toward eliminating the credit defaults what risks that help get us into this problem. martha: a lot of people are wary about congressional ability to oversee this problem. i want to listen to something. >> i want to begin by saying that i am glad to consider the legislation, but i do not think that we are facing any kind of a crisis. that is, in my view, government
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enterprises here, fannie mae and freddie mac, are not in a crisis. martha: that was barney frank, a who is in charge of overseeing consumer financial protection assistance programs. why is it that the legislation is being handled by some of the same people who were saying they were not able to catch the problem last time? >> the entire country is run by people who did not see what was happening in 2008 back in 2003. i have yet to meet the person who said they sold countrywide stopped short and made a billion dollars. i have not met that person yet. a few people realized that it was a risk, a possibility, but i have not met anybody who bet the farm on the disaster occurring.
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martha: before i let you go, is anything done to implement caps on how much money? is it a bottomless pit? >> i am spending most of this month the fighting against section 12 04, the idea that we would give the executive branch the idea to bail out any systemically important financial institution and allow them to decide whether to spend tens of billions or tens of trillions of dollars to do that is a massive shift of power from the people to the executive branch. it also will create an image on wall street that be too big to fail. martha: it is encouragement to try risky investments, because
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you do not have to worry about failure, because the government thinks you are too big to fail and will bail you out again. thank you so much for being with us. we are glad to have you with us today. let me bring in at the chief economist at an advisory company. >> i am glad he is fighting against it. i do not think that he has the right reasons, but the real reason is the government caused a crisis we have had in the first place. if you split it up, it was 98% the government pasquale. back in 1993, the federal reserve held interest rates at 1%, encouraging people to borrow more money than they should have. then we had a counting on top of that creating a catastrophe where it all fell apart.
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now they want to use the problems that they created to make the government more powerful and the private sector less powerful. that is the opposite answer that we should have. martha: they should say, why are we not creating legislation that says we will never bail you out again? you have to make sure that this never happens. mistakes have been made, and wall street, car companies, whoever you are, you have to be your own fiscal irresponsibility overseer, we will never bail you out again. >> we should do that. when you give the government 8 trillion, they can decide to bail out a democrat, for example, and not bailout somebody who gives money to republicans. so you have got so many problems when the government gets involved in this.
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martha: and there is discussion, this 1204 does not have caps or restrictions on executive compensation, which has been thrown back into people's faces in recent weeks. it is remarkable. >> the government has made a hash at of the economy in the recent years. what is happening is that all of the blame is being put in the private sector. the government deserves about 90% of the blame, and i wish that we would have more people saying that. martha: we need to watch their actions so this does not happen again. always good to have you. thank you. trace: people were sweating, throwing up, passing out. what did a self-help expert do? a survivor speaks out about what really went on inside that deadly new age retreat known as a sweat lodge in arizona. and just a day after the body of a 7-year-old girl was found
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in florida, there is now an all- out search for a 9-year-old girl in missouri. we're getting near the critical 48-hour marked police talk about.
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trace: we are now getting pictures of the airline jet that overshot the runway. one of the shots is the voice recorder, the other is flight data. they are focused on the voice recorder because of record the conversations in the cockpit and ambient sounds. the pilots said they were arguing and lost track of time when they overshot the runway. but the problem is that that voice recorder only has a 30
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minute tape. 30 minutes is about how long it took them before regaining their bearings. it might not have anything on there that could tell investigators whether or not these pilots were asleep or arguing aboard the plane carrying 144 passengers that flew 150 miles off course before turning around and landing. it is a big story. we will keep our eyes on it. martha: the search is intensifying in central missouri to find, who vanished wednesday walking home. investigators are checking leads as volunteers searched the woods west of jefferson city. the state highway patrol hopes the clouds pick up enough to use a helicopter equipped with thermal imaging radar.
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elizabeth is very tall for her age, so she probably books -- looks over her age. she is five-foot, 2 inches, and weighs 105 pounds. if you have any information, please call the cold county sheriff's office at the number listed with anything you might know. trace: the numbers are also on foxnews.com, all of the information you need. if you'd know anything, call them. timing is critical. we also have new information in the investigation into the sweat lodge debts in arizona. a survivor is speaking out. he says that the deaths of the spiritual warrior participants did not have to happen. she also has a harsh words for the new age expert, james arthur
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ray. he stood at the door as the deadly events unfolded, telling those who were fainting and vomiting to carry on, that their weaknesses could be overcome. listen to this. >> he pretty much abandoned all of us. he left us all there to figure out what was going on after the incident and never came back. trace: with us now is fox news legal analyst bob massie. they were passing out, asking for help, and these people kept saying to push through. is it manslaughter? what do you make of this? >> you have a civil side and the criminal side. on the criminal side, it could be proven that it was a reckless disregard, the actions he took were so reckless that they caused an unintended homicide, the definition of an involuntary
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manslaughter, and there might be other types under the statute in that state, it could absolutely rise to that level. on the civil side, it is a different story for damages. trace: fairness, they willingly went into the lodge. he was yelling, but he did not force things. >> always their condition? i am sure that there body temperature could have gotten high enough that they were delusional and could not escape. it is like a form of false imprisonment. when i saw the dimensions of this tent, my recollection is that it is 4.5 feet high, and
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was a permit issued for the city. you have people who were 5 feet, 10 inches, and they could not stand up straight in this tent. trace: some people say that these people could have been troubled souls. is there a legal avenue when someone like this takes somebody who is troubled and puts them in a situation like this? >> they go in there with a fragile soul and a fragile spirit, that plaintive was also injured.
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all of that is going to be investigating if they do the proper job of determining criminal liability as well as civil liability. trace: people are kind of drawn into this. >> people can be brainwashed. i would agree with you on this side, how could someone have inspected this and looked around and said, "i am going into a tent the size and it will be this hot," there are a lot of issues. but they have a duty, the people putting it on, to make sure that it is safe. trace: great to see you.
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trace: we are back live in the newsroom with brand new information on the story. lock and load and you're gone on amtrak? we have the story from d.c. >> he used to be that you could check a gun that was not loaded and in a case in your luggage. you can currently do that in an airport if you follow the right procedures. the senate says that you should do that again, and an amendment is passed. it is a different time and place and we do not want weapons on trains, checked or unchecked. trace: new numbers and concerns
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about the h1n1 virus. let's get live to jonathan in atlanta for us. >> h1n1 vaccine availability is steadily increasing, but far too slowly, according to the director of the centers for disease control, thomas friedman. he tells reporters that today's technology is antiquated but safe, and the government found it safe to distribute doses of the vaccine as it started coming off a line instead of stockpiling them. it should be more readily available in a matter of weeks. trace: thank you. that is brand new information at the bottom of the hour. martha: the la familia cartel operates more like a terrorist cell than a drug ring. we are learning more about this,
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more of the most dangerous cartel in mexico. catherine herridge joins us live in washington. why do officials believe that this is not the average cartel, but something more? >> the size and the scope, given the rest we had this week, and the way it recruits it operates, and the way the u.s. was trying to dismantle the operation. >> we are looking at the head of the snake. that is what we go for. yesterday we did arrest a lot of the members. our ultimate goal was to get to the top echelon. that is what we want. top targets are people picking up the phone and calling the shots every day. >> it is guided by a religious ideology. one of the main goals is to damage the united states however that can be achieved, and
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they're trying to do that by infecting this country with drugs. martha: none of their followers used drugs, right? >> that is right. in mexico, the fine or recruit people and if they have an addiction, they try to get them to rehave boot camp. that is how it was described to us. it was described as a robin hood philosophy, they are taking for the port from the rich and trying to help the community generally. one analyst earlier today said to me that it is like the hezbollah model, where they try to care for the community but at the same time are promoting a radical ideology. this is the same thing we're seeing with la familia, as well. martha: thank you very much. catherine herridge in washington. trace: a famous a squad of army rangers is gathering for their reunion. we will take you to a passing up
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trace: new action with the army rangers. they have a very specialized skill, and today is graduation day. they are showing off their stuff. we are live in georgia. today's graduation was special. give us an idea why. >> today's graduation was special because there were several veterans of world war two, army rangers who started what is now known as the modern- day rangers back in the early 1940's, and then they went on to be the first to storm the beaches of normandy on d-day. they had a tough mission. they were tough back and, but they are seeing these rangers in action and could have the same equipment but they have now, who
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knows what they would have done? as we speak, they are at the national infantry museum near fort benning, where graduation took place. they will be touring a world war to exhibit with a lot of artifacts from some of the battles they fought in, such as d day, up battle of the bulge, things like that that will bring back memories for them. i spoke to quite a few of them, and they say that the experience of coming here and seeing rangers makes them feel young again and is a chance for them to reminisce about the old days and talk about major battles they fought and won. this might be one of the last reunions they have, because they believe is becoming too difficult for them to gather like they have for the last few years. trace: you got an up close feel, didn't you? >> we did. they had a demonstration of
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rangers in action, and we were able to see some of the challenging physical things that rangers have to do, because they have to be tough mentally, physically, doing things that a lot of other soldiers do not do. so we got to see them do things that made us all go, wow, you know? trace: thank you very much. martha: i am excited. we have a special guest. tell us where everyone is from and what you guys are doing in new york and what you do for us, more importantly, every day? >> thank you for having us on. we just stopped in for a tour and you handed us to microphone. we are assigned to what point -- west point, and we have the jobs that are tasks represent. i am a pilot, we have an
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operations and steel and two sgt. we have been at west point for most of past years. martha: you spent some time in iraq and afghanistan. >> i was in iraq, he was in afghanistan, he was in iraq and afghanistan and the eastern bloc, also. martha: chief, you are going back to afghanistan in about six months? >> yes. i am going to schedule for deployment. martha: i hope you have a great visit, and i want to thank you for the service that you do. some of these gentlemen may be going back, so we are thrilled to have you serve your country and thank you very much. good to have you. come by any time. trace: she is just 16 years old,
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but soon abby's undermine hopes to be the first person ever to sail around the world. you will meet her, and you'll also hear her incredible story, next.
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trace: a powerful earthquake is rocking part of indonesia again, toppling buildings and sparking panic. it is trying to her recover from a powerful earthquake that killed more than a thousand people last month. in the middle of the box,
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microsoft profits down 18% last quarter, due in part to letting summertime pc buyers get free upgrades to windows 7, which launched yesterday. in the bottom box, the latest hurricane has been downgraded to a tropical storm, winds dropping down to 75 miles an hour. a storm warning has been issued with a hawaiian islands, but the storm is not expected to do much damage. martha: most girls think about getting drivers' licenses and about where they would like to go to college. what about being the youngest person ever to sail around the world alone? alone in a sailboat. that is abby sunderland's dream, and it is a family affair. she joins us now. how are you doing? >> good, thanks. martha: where did you get this
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idea? >> i decided i wanted to go when i was 13 years old. martha: how big a boat are you going to sail? >> it is going to be 40 feet. martha: that is a lot of boat. i know you have brought up around the water. we did a story on your brother. he sailed around the world. what did your parents say when you said, if he gets to do it, i want to do it to? >> i have been talking about for a while. it was not too big a surprise to them when i started talking about it more seriously. it was a little annoying that my brother did it first, because he is two years older. martha: there is another grow out there, jessica, who was already started.
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do you want to beat her? are you bombed out that she is doing it? are you after different records? >> when i decided i wanted to go, i did not know about her. i had ever heard of her before. if i do not go this year, i still will be going next year without a record. the record is not a big deal for me. martha: i do not have to tell you, it is a big, wide ocean out there, with rough seas and pirates in some areas. what scares you when you think about this? >> the thought of being alone for so long is frightening, and the fatigue, because there is a lot of rough weather and a boat requires a lot of maintenance.
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the whole thing is a little bit worrying, but it is really exciting. martha: what do you know about cellular phone signals out there? how much do you think you will be out of touch? >> i have a satellite phone, so if i have power, i should be able to call. it case that goes down, i have sale mail. martha: i know you saw your mother and father after your brother completed his mission. what did they say to you about this? >> i think they are more worried about me than him, because i am a girl, but they are willing to let me go, and they have been such a big help, it is great that they are letting me do this. martha: we wish you well on this dangerous a dream of yours, and we hope that it works out really well. keep in touch with us, ok?
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thanks. wow. trace: no help. you cannot get anyone. no one can go on board. you have to do everything yourself, or it is done. martha: and she says that she is going to bring all of her books with her and keep going to school on her own out there. remarkable. trace: "we will get you." that is from the mother of a murdered seven-year old girl, warning that whoever is responsible will be punished. . .
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coming up. [captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- rick: thanks, guys. we begin with brand new details in a stunning case of a northwest passenger airplane, which overshot minneapolis airport by 150 miles on wednesday night. say there were on the runway, ready to go, prepared to shoot down this flight is the order had come down. obviously, it did not come down. we're told the pilots should have had numerous warning signs that they had missed their destination. air-traffic controllers said to have tried repeatedly to contact them, and contact displays would have reportedly been plinking away, and it for some reason, they missed the indicators, they missed the indicators, we're told the pilot should

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